segunda-feira, novembro 21, 2005

do you recall Popieluzcko?

Father Popieluzcko was a priest in Poland, pre-"revolution" version, that was beaten-killed by the police as an opponent of Jaruzelcky government; I cannot remember the story very well, so many years have passed. What I can remember very well instead is the unbearable propaganda against the then Polish state by the italian state-journalists on the Vatican side ( at the time we were still governed by the Polish pope). che strazio!! you could not go to bed without listening to something related to Padre Popieluzcko.

Tonight I came across to this website, which I feel a duty to circulate on this blog.

I wonder where those people so furiosly pro-democracy, so keen on civil rights are now...

What do they have to say on Poland- 2005- EU- member version. The Poland in which people still believe that Jews are that bad because they killed Jesus Chrst (not a joke, 39% of the population declared to believe that in a recent poll commissioned by the EU commission to investigate on antisemitism in Europe). The Poland that cannot comes to term with Auschwitz.
The Poland in which people are so poor that they have to steal coal to survive.. The Poland with the flat tax. What a country.

Sometime I do think Poland should have never been allowed to join the EU with that record..I cannot see anything good in an enlargment to countries that are so different from western europe in far too many respects. But then I read the story of the ones that are discriminated, and I think that the EU membership is mostly for them.


At 11/22/2005 4:38 da manhã, Anonymous Anónimo said...

The Poland, which, because of the flat tax, etc, is one of the fastest growers in terms of GDP, and eventually will overpass Portugal in 5 to 10 years, if not before...
Not all seams so bad in Poland, I say..

At 11/22/2005 11:06 da manhã, Blogger chiara said...

wow, what an economist we have here. 10 years is a long horizon to forecast.

anyway, go and tell the poor and the unemployed that Poland is not so bad. I am very happy to keep a lower GDP growth and a better quality of life. and that little bit less of religiuous fanatism.

and, by the way,
you could even have the courage to write your name.

p.s. inform yourself a bit better, and maybe read a little bit of Amartya Sen.

At 11/22/2005 1:05 da tarde, Anonymous Anónimo said...

Are Italy and Poland so different?

I think you are blaming Poles to look down on Jews. But, in fact, you are doing the same by looking down on Poles yourself. Next time give references and try to put all available data, not only the ones you like. The link is below:

-Attitudes Toward Jews
in Twelve European Countries May 2005

(1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country.
Percent responding “probably true”

Poland 52%
Italy 55%

(2) Jews have too much power in the business world.
Percent responding “probably true”

Poland 43%
Italy 33%

(3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets.
Percent responding “probably true”

Poland 43%
Italy 32%

(4) Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the
Percent responding “probably true”

Poland 52%
Italy 49%

(5) The Jews are responsible for the death of Christ.
Percent responding “strongly agree” + “somewhat agree”

Poland 39%
Italy 14%

At 11/22/2005 1:55 da tarde, Blogger chiara said...

you keep not writing your name.
this blog will not allow anymore anonymous comments.

it seems you cannot even count..
in fact the percentages speek for themselves, especially the last one, which seems to me the most significant.
and if you don't mind in my blog I write what I want.

At 11/22/2005 2:10 da tarde, Blogger Nuno said...

You should at least give your first name when you comment. We really wouldn't like people to register with blogger in order to comment here. But we are forced to do it now.

The motivation for this post was the human rights abuse in Poland and discriminiation against homosexuals. More on this here . The evidence for it can be obtained from the link given in the post. It is not always possible to give accurate data, but I think Chiara's post does not contradict in any way the data that you have provided.

Thanks for your comment. But please, next time, say your first name.

At 11/22/2005 5:10 da tarde, Blogger Maria S. said...

Let me remind you your own words:

"Devo dizer que este blogue é mais ou menos anónimo. Nós só assinamos com os
nossos primeiros nomes. Mas nunca fizemos aqui acusações graves a ninguém sem
utilizar informação que aparece na imprensa." (21 October 2005)

Maybe all this fuss is not about anonymity.
Are your huge open-minded egos ready to listen to some else's opinion?

"We all know Italy is far a superior country than Poland. Poland doesn't
deserve be in the EU." Is that what you meant?

What if, in the above, you replace Poland for Portugal. Does it sound the same?

How you dare to look down on other people?

At 11/22/2005 5:50 da tarde, Blogger Nuno said...


Now that I know your first name, I can use it you see :)

Let's calm down a bit, ok?

No one is looking down on anyone. But sometimes to criticise one needs to be a bit radical. This is a general tactic of political activism. You need to shock and provoke, in order to awake people. We don't want a politically correct blog.

At 11/22/2005 7:48 da tarde, Blogger Milan said...

Chiara, I have to agree with your post. The situation of minorities (gays, ethnic and religious minorities and others) in most of the new EU members is often outrageous. In the case of Poland there seems to be a kind of fanatic Catholicism which is frightening. But as you state, these minorities will benefit from EU membership and hopefully these societies will evolve to the kind of freedoms we cherish so much in Western Europe (it also tooks us some time in Southern Europe). People will be monitoring such abuses more closely.

At 11/22/2005 10:10 da tarde, Blogger chiara said...

thank you Milan, that was precisely the sense of my post.

Dear Maria, as you can see on this blog we are very arsh on religious fanatism and human rights abuse, and we are going on as it is.


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